3/3 to DVOA) all win.? Best teams in DVOA history does not equal best teams in NFL history. Tom Brady could be the icing on the cake here. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Arkaein. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Anger...rising. There are a lot of coaches worse than Jim Schwartz, and the man deserves at least one mulligan year. I DID read that Luck had a high total of dropped INTs, which is both fortuitous and correctable as a QB matures. by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 03, 2013 - 11:23am, "Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky.". Technically better, but yeah, the whole point is that once you start getting into all these relative statistics, things get weird quick. by Mountain Time … // Dec 31, 2012 - 8:28pm, In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Rowdy Roddy Piper. There are slight differences for each team but in general, total DVOA ratings now are the same as they were before. All three of those teams won their first playoff game anyway. This team will not let Carolina score points in this game, and that makes them an extremely safe play. This is all true, but at least in regards to your case #1, any measure that factors in opponent strength suffers from the same problem. (I believe he even threw it while the play was still going on.). So all the NFC North teams had positive DVOA, has a division finished the year with all the teams on the plus side before? That Panthers game was a fluke. First-round cornerback Noah Igbinoghene is added to a secondary that now also includes high-dollar free-agent cornerback Byron Jones, and the team also added pass-rushers Shaq Lawson and Emmanuel Ogbah, as well as linebacker/edge-rusher Kyle Van Noy, via the free-agency route. Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky. To save people some time, please use the following format for all complaints: is clearly ranked because . And when you add that to Baltimore's offense, and another year of development for Lamar Jackson, dare we say that a Super Bowl seems... likely? I thought the niners miscalculated and got worn down by the Pats' no huddle and rapid tempo. Wouldn't it be "the Ranccor is right..."? I would argue that the San Fransisco game should be taken out of this discussion, since at no point was Detroit even close to winning or tying. No team has blitzed more than the Ravens over the last two seasons, and just to…. Maybe the afc was watered down, but it features two extremely powerful teams while the nfc is full of treacherous clubs and plenty of depth to go around. Both of BAL wins against playoff teams were in weeks 1 and 3. Beyond that, the whole prevent thing is wildly overstated. To deal with ever-increasing examples of the quick passing game from three- and five-step drops, most defenses are playing more man coverage with press coverage, and some defenses are blitzing at rates previously deemed unsafe. I'm guessing no other playoff team lost to the Eagles. Now, this is a young defense on the rise. Veteran Justin Houston, who signed a two-year, $24 million contract before the 2019 season, was the team's best pass-rusher last season. Sometimes it also means that maybe a team got a bit lucky with things like recovering fumbles. No team with less than 4 wins finished positive. But NE had caught up only to be undone by a couple mistakes, which SF did well to capitalize one. Last season, it was the Browns on both offense and defense. Another came on a ticky tack Pi penalty in the end zone. I still would like for him to be fired, though. They should have Lewis and Ellerbe at full strength in the middle, Ngata has fought through his MCL strain and shoulder injury and seems to be rounding into form, Suggs took last week off to heal his biceps and achilles, and Pollard will return from his rib injury. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Fkdc (not verified). The only real downturn was in a secondary that allowed far too many big plays, and was saved in a relative sense by cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who they picked up late in the season after the Giants waived him. Reader to pair with Geno Atkins, and signed Vikings reclamation cornerbacks Trae Waynes and Mackensie Alexander. The Colts have -16.0% DVOA, making them the first team to ever go 11-5 with a DVOA below -10%. We know that they are more variable than yardage totals. I remember this particular nugget because 20 points was the same as the combined margin of all 6 of GB's losses that year. by Paul M (not verified) // Jan 01, 2013 - 2:27am. The Colts did not play particularly well against a banged-up Browns team. Indianapolis is around -40. by Hummingbird Cyborg // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:01pm. It also seems like their OLB Kruger and Upshaw have found their roles, with Kruger becoming a very good pass rusher and Upshaw becoming a great run stopper. Aaron Donald is as good as ever, and their secondary group is one of the best in the leagues. Kenny Clark has developed into one of the five best defensive tackles in the game, and there's an improving young secondary, led by cornerback Jaire Alexander and cornerback Adrian Amos, capable of executing Mike Pettine's aggressive, multi-faceted defensive schemes. Denver (and San Francisco as well) ranks in the top five in both offense and defense, although the special teams are a little lower. But the most important free-agent deal Tampa Bay made before the 2019 season paid off quite handsomely, as well. The good news is that there are pieces with which to build for new defensive coordinator Joe Woods. I mean, as a Broncos fan, I didn't expect the Tebow Broncos to beat the Steelers last year because the Steelers were clearly the better team by a large margin. Also looking at total point differential I think also helps if you're going to look at close games...the Seahawks ended up 3rd in point differential compared to 12th for the Redskins. I'll agree that the 4th down plays are an important factor. Not true. On that one the replacement refs were close, if incorrect. They could do nothing against Miami or Philadelphia. I think the Ravens and Bengals could do some damage to the top teams. I remember that Chargers team losing close game after close game. Thanks for the input, I wasn't aware of that. Tampa Bay rose from 19th to third in Defensive DVOA in the second half of the season, and with the addition of second-round safety Antoine Winfield Jr., expect at least Top-10 performance again. Looked at that way, they were incredibly consistent in their performance. Terrell in the first round, and Terrell is a much better player than he showed in his team's loss in the College Football Championship. Each year, we go through and look at how the best and worst teams of the year fit in among all the teams which have DVOA ratings; right now, that goes back to 1991. The order in which the points are distributed within the game doesn't. by Rowdy Roddy Piper // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:54pm. I wonder if these would be all-time top teams using the old multi-year baselines instead of the single-year one. And in 2010 the 14-2 Patriots lost to the 5-11 Browns 34-14 at mid-season. With the addition of second-overall pick Chase Young, the Redskins are in the interesting position of having five first-round picks along their defensive line — Young, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Da'Ron Payne, and Montez Sweat, who was Washington's first-round pick in 2019. The Wild Man Of Borneo Wrestler,
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3/3 to DVOA) all win.? Best teams in DVOA history does not equal best teams in NFL history. Tom Brady could be the icing on the cake here. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Arkaein. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Anger...rising. There are a lot of coaches worse than Jim Schwartz, and the man deserves at least one mulligan year. I DID read that Luck had a high total of dropped INTs, which is both fortuitous and correctable as a QB matures. by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 03, 2013 - 11:23am, "Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky.". Technically better, but yeah, the whole point is that once you start getting into all these relative statistics, things get weird quick. by Mountain Time … // Dec 31, 2012 - 8:28pm, In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Rowdy Roddy Piper. There are slight differences for each team but in general, total DVOA ratings now are the same as they were before. All three of those teams won their first playoff game anyway. This team will not let Carolina score points in this game, and that makes them an extremely safe play. This is all true, but at least in regards to your case #1, any measure that factors in opponent strength suffers from the same problem. (I believe he even threw it while the play was still going on.). So all the NFC North teams had positive DVOA, has a division finished the year with all the teams on the plus side before? That Panthers game was a fluke. First-round cornerback Noah Igbinoghene is added to a secondary that now also includes high-dollar free-agent cornerback Byron Jones, and the team also added pass-rushers Shaq Lawson and Emmanuel Ogbah, as well as linebacker/edge-rusher Kyle Van Noy, via the free-agency route. Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky. To save people some time, please use the following format for all complaints: is clearly ranked because . And when you add that to Baltimore's offense, and another year of development for Lamar Jackson, dare we say that a Super Bowl seems... likely? I thought the niners miscalculated and got worn down by the Pats' no huddle and rapid tempo. Wouldn't it be "the Ranccor is right..."? I would argue that the San Fransisco game should be taken out of this discussion, since at no point was Detroit even close to winning or tying. No team has blitzed more than the Ravens over the last two seasons, and just to…. Maybe the afc was watered down, but it features two extremely powerful teams while the nfc is full of treacherous clubs and plenty of depth to go around. Both of BAL wins against playoff teams were in weeks 1 and 3. Beyond that, the whole prevent thing is wildly overstated. To deal with ever-increasing examples of the quick passing game from three- and five-step drops, most defenses are playing more man coverage with press coverage, and some defenses are blitzing at rates previously deemed unsafe. I'm guessing no other playoff team lost to the Eagles. Now, this is a young defense on the rise. Veteran Justin Houston, who signed a two-year, $24 million contract before the 2019 season, was the team's best pass-rusher last season. Sometimes it also means that maybe a team got a bit lucky with things like recovering fumbles. No team with less than 4 wins finished positive. But NE had caught up only to be undone by a couple mistakes, which SF did well to capitalize one. Last season, it was the Browns on both offense and defense. Another came on a ticky tack Pi penalty in the end zone. I still would like for him to be fired, though. They should have Lewis and Ellerbe at full strength in the middle, Ngata has fought through his MCL strain and shoulder injury and seems to be rounding into form, Suggs took last week off to heal his biceps and achilles, and Pollard will return from his rib injury. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Fkdc (not verified). The only real downturn was in a secondary that allowed far too many big plays, and was saved in a relative sense by cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who they picked up late in the season after the Giants waived him. Reader to pair with Geno Atkins, and signed Vikings reclamation cornerbacks Trae Waynes and Mackensie Alexander. The Colts have -16.0% DVOA, making them the first team to ever go 11-5 with a DVOA below -10%. We know that they are more variable than yardage totals. I remember this particular nugget because 20 points was the same as the combined margin of all 6 of GB's losses that year. by Paul M (not verified) // Jan 01, 2013 - 2:27am. The Colts did not play particularly well against a banged-up Browns team. Indianapolis is around -40. by Hummingbird Cyborg // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:01pm. It also seems like their OLB Kruger and Upshaw have found their roles, with Kruger becoming a very good pass rusher and Upshaw becoming a great run stopper. Aaron Donald is as good as ever, and their secondary group is one of the best in the leagues. Kenny Clark has developed into one of the five best defensive tackles in the game, and there's an improving young secondary, led by cornerback Jaire Alexander and cornerback Adrian Amos, capable of executing Mike Pettine's aggressive, multi-faceted defensive schemes. Denver (and San Francisco as well) ranks in the top five in both offense and defense, although the special teams are a little lower. But the most important free-agent deal Tampa Bay made before the 2019 season paid off quite handsomely, as well. The good news is that there are pieces with which to build for new defensive coordinator Joe Woods. I mean, as a Broncos fan, I didn't expect the Tebow Broncos to beat the Steelers last year because the Steelers were clearly the better team by a large margin. Also looking at total point differential I think also helps if you're going to look at close games...the Seahawks ended up 3rd in point differential compared to 12th for the Redskins. I'll agree that the 4th down plays are an important factor. Not true. On that one the replacement refs were close, if incorrect. They could do nothing against Miami or Philadelphia. I think the Ravens and Bengals could do some damage to the top teams. I remember that Chargers team losing close game after close game. Thanks for the input, I wasn't aware of that. Tampa Bay rose from 19th to third in Defensive DVOA in the second half of the season, and with the addition of second-round safety Antoine Winfield Jr., expect at least Top-10 performance again. Looked at that way, they were incredibly consistent in their performance. Terrell in the first round, and Terrell is a much better player than he showed in his team's loss in the College Football Championship. Each year, we go through and look at how the best and worst teams of the year fit in among all the teams which have DVOA ratings; right now, that goes back to 1991. The order in which the points are distributed within the game doesn't. by Rowdy Roddy Piper // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:54pm. I wonder if these would be all-time top teams using the old multi-year baselines instead of the single-year one. And in 2010 the 14-2 Patriots lost to the 5-11 Browns 34-14 at mid-season. With the addition of second-overall pick Chase Young, the Redskins are in the interesting position of having five first-round picks along their defensive line — Young, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Da'Ron Payne, and Montez Sweat, who was Washington's first-round pick in 2019. The Wild Man Of Borneo Wrestler,
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3/3 to DVOA) all win.? Best teams in DVOA history does not equal best teams in NFL history. Tom Brady could be the icing on the cake here. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Arkaein. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Anger...rising. There are a lot of coaches worse than Jim Schwartz, and the man deserves at least one mulligan year. I DID read that Luck had a high total of dropped INTs, which is both fortuitous and correctable as a QB matures. by JoeyHarringtonsPiano // Jan 03, 2013 - 11:23am, "Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky.". Technically better, but yeah, the whole point is that once you start getting into all these relative statistics, things get weird quick. by Mountain Time … // Dec 31, 2012 - 8:28pm, In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Rowdy Roddy Piper. There are slight differences for each team but in general, total DVOA ratings now are the same as they were before. All three of those teams won their first playoff game anyway. This team will not let Carolina score points in this game, and that makes them an extremely safe play. This is all true, but at least in regards to your case #1, any measure that factors in opponent strength suffers from the same problem. (I believe he even threw it while the play was still going on.). So all the NFC North teams had positive DVOA, has a division finished the year with all the teams on the plus side before? That Panthers game was a fluke. First-round cornerback Noah Igbinoghene is added to a secondary that now also includes high-dollar free-agent cornerback Byron Jones, and the team also added pass-rushers Shaq Lawson and Emmanuel Ogbah, as well as linebacker/edge-rusher Kyle Van Noy, via the free-agency route. Thing is, last year's team was basically a 7-9 team that was lucky. To save people some time, please use the following format for all complaints: is clearly ranked because . And when you add that to Baltimore's offense, and another year of development for Lamar Jackson, dare we say that a Super Bowl seems... likely? I thought the niners miscalculated and got worn down by the Pats' no huddle and rapid tempo. Wouldn't it be "the Ranccor is right..."? I would argue that the San Fransisco game should be taken out of this discussion, since at no point was Detroit even close to winning or tying. No team has blitzed more than the Ravens over the last two seasons, and just to…. Maybe the afc was watered down, but it features two extremely powerful teams while the nfc is full of treacherous clubs and plenty of depth to go around. Both of BAL wins against playoff teams were in weeks 1 and 3. Beyond that, the whole prevent thing is wildly overstated. To deal with ever-increasing examples of the quick passing game from three- and five-step drops, most defenses are playing more man coverage with press coverage, and some defenses are blitzing at rates previously deemed unsafe. I'm guessing no other playoff team lost to the Eagles. Now, this is a young defense on the rise. Veteran Justin Houston, who signed a two-year, $24 million contract before the 2019 season, was the team's best pass-rusher last season. Sometimes it also means that maybe a team got a bit lucky with things like recovering fumbles. No team with less than 4 wins finished positive. But NE had caught up only to be undone by a couple mistakes, which SF did well to capitalize one. Last season, it was the Browns on both offense and defense. Another came on a ticky tack Pi penalty in the end zone. I still would like for him to be fired, though. They should have Lewis and Ellerbe at full strength in the middle, Ngata has fought through his MCL strain and shoulder injury and seems to be rounding into form, Suggs took last week off to heal his biceps and achilles, and Pollard will return from his rib injury. In reply to Re: Final 2012 DVOA Ratings by Fkdc (not verified). The only real downturn was in a secondary that allowed far too many big plays, and was saved in a relative sense by cornerback Janoris Jenkins, who they picked up late in the season after the Giants waived him. Reader to pair with Geno Atkins, and signed Vikings reclamation cornerbacks Trae Waynes and Mackensie Alexander. The Colts have -16.0% DVOA, making them the first team to ever go 11-5 with a DVOA below -10%. We know that they are more variable than yardage totals. I remember this particular nugget because 20 points was the same as the combined margin of all 6 of GB's losses that year. by Paul M (not verified) // Jan 01, 2013 - 2:27am. The Colts did not play particularly well against a banged-up Browns team. Indianapolis is around -40. by Hummingbird Cyborg // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:01pm. It also seems like their OLB Kruger and Upshaw have found their roles, with Kruger becoming a very good pass rusher and Upshaw becoming a great run stopper. Aaron Donald is as good as ever, and their secondary group is one of the best in the leagues. Kenny Clark has developed into one of the five best defensive tackles in the game, and there's an improving young secondary, led by cornerback Jaire Alexander and cornerback Adrian Amos, capable of executing Mike Pettine's aggressive, multi-faceted defensive schemes. Denver (and San Francisco as well) ranks in the top five in both offense and defense, although the special teams are a little lower. But the most important free-agent deal Tampa Bay made before the 2019 season paid off quite handsomely, as well. The good news is that there are pieces with which to build for new defensive coordinator Joe Woods. I mean, as a Broncos fan, I didn't expect the Tebow Broncos to beat the Steelers last year because the Steelers were clearly the better team by a large margin. Also looking at total point differential I think also helps if you're going to look at close games...the Seahawks ended up 3rd in point differential compared to 12th for the Redskins. I'll agree that the 4th down plays are an important factor. Not true. On that one the replacement refs were close, if incorrect. They could do nothing against Miami or Philadelphia. I think the Ravens and Bengals could do some damage to the top teams. I remember that Chargers team losing close game after close game. Thanks for the input, I wasn't aware of that. Tampa Bay rose from 19th to third in Defensive DVOA in the second half of the season, and with the addition of second-round safety Antoine Winfield Jr., expect at least Top-10 performance again. Looked at that way, they were incredibly consistent in their performance. Terrell in the first round, and Terrell is a much better player than he showed in his team's loss in the College Football Championship. Each year, we go through and look at how the best and worst teams of the year fit in among all the teams which have DVOA ratings; right now, that goes back to 1991. The order in which the points are distributed within the game doesn't. by Rowdy Roddy Piper // Dec 31, 2012 - 7:54pm. I wonder if these would be all-time top teams using the old multi-year baselines instead of the single-year one. And in 2010 the 14-2 Patriots lost to the 5-11 Browns 34-14 at mid-season. With the addition of second-overall pick Chase Young, the Redskins are in the interesting position of having five first-round picks along their defensive line — Young, Jonathan Allen, Ryan Kerrigan, Da'Ron Payne, and Montez Sweat, who was Washington's first-round pick in 2019.
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